Patrick Kindlon and Ian Shelton attempt to discuss their successes and failures in their creative lives while often getting stuck on something else entirely.

Tour logistics under covid, Warehouse acting

Patrick Kindlon, Warehouse Actor

Mysterious guy disapproval, Donda and snitching to the press.

Seeking The Approval of Losers

A little bit of a sleepy return but WE'RE BACK. Patrick discusses the launch of his Image Comics debut "The Frontiersman", Ian talks about turning down record deals for the long term bet and then we discuss the argument of a lifetime where Pat tried to fire Ian off the drug church music video.

Patrick Tried To Fire Me

Ian releases a song called KKK Tattoo, Patrick watches the comics industry get cancelled.

Scooby Doo Villain Problems

How trauma, misfortune, ugly circumstance, and bad luck inform or motivate a creative life. Also, jail talk.

I Don't Care If This Ruins My Life