In this conversation, Ines and I discuss her work as a Palestinian advocate on the international stage and the challenges faced by Palestinians in their struggle for liberation. She highlights the role of alternative diplomacy, the fragmentation of Palestinian society, and the role of civil society in advocating for rights. Ines critiques the complicity of international actors, like the US and Europe, and the media in perpetuating the status quo, occupation and genocide, while also highlighting the importance of digital platforms in amplifying Palestinian voices. She calls for new models of leadership and questions the effectiveness of state recognition in achieving true liberation for Palestinians.Chapters