In this episode, Sue and Mike are joined by Dr Raju Hajela, a chronic pain, mental health and addiction specialist in Calgary, Alberta.  Dr Hajela has been a physician in Canada since 1982 and currently works full time in a clinical capacity. Dr Hajela shares some of his background and interests, provides more details about pain that we can experience holistically. He provides some examples of emotional pain and how it is central in all pain including chronic pain. Dr Hajela discusses treatment of chronic pain and the importance of not just focusing on medication management. He also shares some ways people can help themselves to reduce the experience of pain. The podcast ends with a surprise Humdinger question for Dr Hajela to add some fun and humour.