HR Superstars
HR Superstars
15Five
What Curiosity Unlocks in Leadership with Dr. Debra Clary
30 minutes Posted Oct 6, 2026 at 9:00 am.
There's a misconception that great leadership means having it all figured out. But slowing down to ask questions and bring people into the conversation is what helps teams move faster. In this episode of HR Superstars, Karina Young sits down with Dr. Debra Clary, founder and leadership advisor of The Clary Group, to discuss why curiosity is a measurable driver of performance, not just a nice-to-have trait. Debra shares the research behind her four-factor curiosity diagnostic, why certainty gets in the way of good leadership, and how HR can build psychological safety that invites questions. You'll learn: Why certainty is a blocker to good leadership The four factors used to measure and build curiosity in a team How to reward and reinforce curiosity so people keep speaking up Join us as we discuss:
Meet HR Superstar: Dr. Debra Clary
Why curiosity is missing from leadership frameworks
Curiosity as a strategic advantage
Certainty kills curiosity
The four factors to measure curiosity
Using curiosity data in hiring and development
What happens when curiosity isn't protected
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There's a misconception that great leadership means having it all figured out. But slowing down to ask questions and bring people into the conversation is what helps teams move faster. In this episode of HR Superstars, Karina Young sits down with Dr. Debra Clary, founder and leadership advisor of The Clary Group, to discuss why curiosity is a measurable driver of performance, not just a nice-to-have trait. Debra shares the research behind her four-factor curiosity diagnostic, why certainty gets in the way of good leadership, and how HR can build psychological safety that invites questions. You'll learn: Why certainty is a blocker to good leadership The four factors used to measure and build curiosity in a team How to reward and reinforce curiosity so people keep speaking up Join us as we discuss: (00:00) Meet HR Superstar: Dr. Debra Clary (03:26) Why curiosity is missing from leadership frameworks (06:11) Curiosity as a strategic advantage (08:17) Certainty kills curiosity (12:51) The four factors to measure curiosity (19:43) Using curiosity data in hiring and development (23:30) What happens when curiosity isn't protected (27:15) How leaders can start being more curious Resources: For the entire interview, subscribe to HR Superstars on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or YouTube, or tune in on our website. Original podcast track produced by Entheo. Listening on a desktop & can't see the links? Just search for HR Superstars in your favorite podcast player. Hear Karina's thoughts on elevating your HR career by following her on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karinayoung11/ Download 15Five's Performance Review Playbook: https://www.15five.com/ebook/review-process-playbook?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=Q2_2023_Podcast_CTAs&utm_content=Performance For more on maximizing employee performance, engagement, and retention, click here: https://www.15five.com/demo?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=Q2-Podcast-Ads&utm_content=Schedule-a-demo Dr. Debra Clary's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drdebraclary/ The Curiosity Curve: A Leader's Guide to Growth and Transformation Through Bold Questions: https://www.amazon.com/Curiosity-Curve-Leaders-Transformation-Questions/dp/1639081380