In this episode, Rochelle is joined by Charlie Stillings for a deep dive into the often-overlooked world of Environmental Services (EVS). They talk about how EVS teams are essential to infection prevention, what gets in the way of collaboration, and why it's time we stop treating their work like background noise. From navigating ever-changing protocols to managing high-risk cleaning tasks, EVS professionals are doing critical, high-stakes work — often without a seat at the table. We also unpack the role of technology, the impact of inclusion (or the lack of it), and what Infection Preventionists can do to build stronger, more respectful partnerships with EVS teams.

It’s time to elevate the conversation — and the people doing the work.