In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips sits down with horsewoman, mustang owner, former jeweler, and emerging educator Hayley Josephs.

The Internship Effect (Cat Roy Stanley)

Yes, but let's put the horse first!  Taking a clear, ethical stance on horsemanship without judgement. We are observant, humble, clear eyed, regulated and deeply respectful of our equine partners. 

This podcast is not: 
Not human self-help using horses as metaphors 
Not romantic liberty training mythology
Not moral superiority
Not training evangelism

This podcast is: 

Deep listening
Thoughtful questioning
Slowing down human narratives
Allowing the horse to be the authority

Join Lockie Phillips, the horseman behind Emotional Horsemanship, as we explore the inner world of the horse, the human systems that impact horses and building functional, ethical partnerships with horses where the horse is the authority on correctness.  Guests from all around the world plus solo episodes to build connections based on truth telling, community and the joy of the HORSE FIRST way of life.