When spiritual trauma infuses our growing up years, it can be hard to identify it as trauma. We might find ourselves asking, how could it be trauma if it feels normal? And how can it be trauma when what happened in our family looks like what happened in so many other families? In this episode we talk about what happens when we experience spiritual trauma in our childhood, as well as the foundational psychological and social needs we all share as humans. When these needs are met, it makes it easier for us to grow up and trust ourselves, others, and the process of growing itself. In this episode we hear from Dr. Alison Cook and William Matthews III. Content Note: this episode contains reference to sexual abuse.For transcript and show notes, visit holyhurtpodcast.comCreditsWritten and recorded by: Hillary McBrideGuest: Alison Cook, William Matthews IIIExecutive producer: Leslie RobertsSound editing: Bradley Danyluk and Micaela PeragalloMusic and scoring: Jon Guerra, adapted from the album Ordinary Ways, strings performed by Valerie GuerraLogo and art: Courtney Searcy