Holding Space
Holding Space
Dr. Cassidy Freitas
161: Ally Isn't Enough: Talking to Your Kids About Race with Josephine Ampaw-Greene
50 minutes Posted Aug 24, 2026 at 11:00 am.
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In this episode, I sit down with therapist Josie Ampaw-Greene — a licensed clinical social worker and mom to twins — for a conversation on how we talk to our kids about race, identity, and oppression.

We talk about:

  • Why "should I even bring it up?" is itself a form of privilege
  • Ally vs. accomplice — and sitting IN the discomfort, not on the sidelines
  • Perfectionism as a form of white supremacy (yeah...we went there)
  • Adultification — why kids of color have these talks so much earlier
  • Starting with history (going back 300 years, not today's headlines)
  • And where to start today


If you take one thing from this episode, let it be Josie's reminder: you can't take your kids somewhere you haven't gone yourself.

You can connect with Josie and her Denver practice, Ampaw Psychotherapy & Consulting, at https://www.ampawpc.com and on Instagram @diaryofabrokenheartedtherapist.

To learn more about my book Mom Needs a Moment or my California/New York private practice, visit https://www.drcassidymft.com

A few resources named in the episode:

The March Graphic Novel Books

Tricia Hersey / The Nap Ministry - Rest is Resistance



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