An intimate chat (recorded over a brew) between artists Claire Weetman and Sheila Ghelani, both long term Heart of Glass collaborators.

In their warm conversation the artists explore the parallels between their work and what it means to be an artist working in a community setting. They discuss the challenges and setbacks of working through a pandemic and whether art and its ‘weird magic’ can or should change the world.

Before they chatted, Sheila and Claire mailed out packages to each other. Both artists used care packages as a way to connect with the groups during the pandemic. We listen as they unwrap their packages and talk about the objects inside - how they chose them, their symbolism and meaning and their hopes for how they might offer a moment of care and reflection to the individuals who received them.

(Shout out to the amazing volunteers and organisations who supported them through the process including St Helens Carers Centre and Refugee Women Connect)