Sean and Brett talk at length about whether government or communities are better at fixing local and national problems. They also wonder about the culture around philanthropy and how different social and cultural norms could be better for the world. Brett argues that these cultural shifts can be achieved through reworking tribalism to form better human connections, while Sean expands on the idea to claim that we can learn empathy for people very unlike ourselves by first showing it to people mostly like us. They finish with a discussion about feeling at home and finding their homes in the future, as both moved across the country after college.