There's no better a time than now to think ahead - who knew this time last year that 2020 would be built around a global pandemic?  

Not us. Not anyone.  

But that's where 'future-proofing' comes into play.

CEO Jon Shanks joins Paul in the (remote) studio to discuss how the cloud can ensure your start-up's ops don't suffer in the long run, how culture plays a big part at his DevOps cloud native start-up Appvia, and their sustainability model to keep the momentum going over the next 12 months.