What if the most creative version of you never has to quit their day job?In this episode, Junaid sits down with Kate Volman – CEO of Floyd Coaching, host of Create For No Reason and Lead With Culture, and author of “Do What You Love: A Guide to Living Your Creative Life Without Leaving Your Job.”Kate shares how a chamber of commerce job in her 20s unexpectedly rewired her idea of work, purpose, and creativity. She reveals why not every passion should be monetized, how to protect your creative practice while leading a company, and why waiting for “inspiration” is the biggest lie that keeps creatives stuck.If you’ve ever thought, “I’ll be creative when I finally leave my job” or “I can’t start until I know how to make money from this,” this conversation will challenge everything. You’ll learn to think in terms of ROI vs. ROC (Return on Creating), build discipline like a writer, and surround yourself with the kind of creative friends who refuse to let you stay small.You don’t need permission. You need a practice. This episode shows you how.5 Key Takeaways You don’t have to quit to create – Kate built a deeply creative life alongside full-time roles by following curiosity into side projects like local morning shows and early YouTube experiments. Not every passion should be monetized – turning everything into a business can kill the joy; sometimes the real payoff is energy, meaning, and connection, not revenue. ROI vs. ROC (Return on Creating) – when you make time to create “for no reason,” you gain confidence, momentum, and vitality that compound across every part of your life and career. Discipline beats inspiration – Kate writes using word-count goals and scheduled sessions, not feelings; inspiration usually shows up after you start, not before. Community and accountability are creative superpowers – from Zoom writing rooms to weekly check-ins with friends and coaches, having people who expect you to show up can be the difference between “one day” and “it’s done.”Timestamps [ [ [ [Guest Links – Kate Volmanwww.KateVolman.comhttps://www.instagram.com/katevolmanhttps://www.youtube.com/katevolmanmedia