We talk with Emily Kellogg (Power Up! Everything Nintendo and Beyond) about Persona 5, immersing yourself in a world, and how the dedication of time changes your relationship to a game.

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Your hosts are Anne Kirn (@house_of_darkly) and Emily Kardamis (@corruptedgem).

Intro, outro, and interstitial music is "Welcome!" by RoccoW, used under Creative Commons.