We talk with Casey Toney (NeoScum, Campaign, Twitch) about songwriting, who we make art for, and what we do with the limited resource of time.

Follow the show on Twitter: @treasurescast

Your hosts are Anne Kirn (@house_of_darkly) and Emily Kardamis (@corruptedgem).

Intro, outro, and interstitial music is "Welcome!" by RoccoW, used under Creative Commons.