In this episode, the Growing Down podcast interviews David Hartful Jr., to talk about the protests and riots erupting in America, following the murder of George Floyd by police, from the perspective of Integral Theory and Spiral Dynamics. David is a researcher and founder of Black Leadership Analysis, (https://blackleaderanalysis.com), which explores leadership practices in black communities through Spiral Dynamics, Integral Theory, and practices of self-realization.   

• David’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvH7ICAx2fzym-2ykAlNVPw  
• Dr Zenju Earthlyn Manuel: https://blackleaderanalysis.com/2018/01/02/zenju-earthlyn-manuel/  
• Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar:  https://blackleaderanalysis.com/2018/02/02/dr-bhimrao-ambedkar/