In this episode of Give Us The Dirt, Herb Sargent returns to share what life has been like since transitioning his company to an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP). He reflects on his own growth as a leader, the lessons he's learned from empowering others, and why building a strong company culture starts long before handing over the keys. This conversation explores what it means to create a workplace where teammates are trusted, encouraged to lead, and invested in something greater than themselves. Whether you're a business owner, a leader, or someone striving to make a lasting impact, Herb's insights offer a thoughtful perspective on leadership, legacy, and building a company that continues to thrive for generations.