Where does family fit in with our church ministries? Pastor Bill and church musician Sarah have encountered very different expectations and experiences. Get in touch: calledpodcast.com and calledpodcast@gmail.com

Annual Reviews, on Called Ep. 13

For 50 years between them, Pastor Bill Smutz and musician Sarah Bereza have survived and thrived in churches big and small, urban and rural, good and not so good. With generous hearts and healthy boundaries, they share practical advice for church staff about working smart, cutting out the bs, and embracing the good in ministry. New episodes on 1st and 3rd Tuesdays.