On this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia sits down with Gersom de Koning to explore theater education as a transformative practice. Their conversation examines how drama builds confidence, collaboration, leadership, and transferable skills while also offering a powerful model for gamification, exploration, and learning through productive failure. From arts integration and technical theater to the future of live performance in an AI world, this episode highlights why theater belongs at the center of meaningful learning. Outline

Introduction & Background

Gersem's Journey into Theater

What Makes Great Theater Education

Drama, Gamification & Learning

Failure, Collaboration & Leadership