In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with author and education advocate Ted Dintersmith to rethink what math should look like in a changing world—especially as AI makes rote procedures less relevant. Together they unpack the limits of test-driven instruction, the consequences of low math and data literacy for civic life, and why classrooms should prioritize estimation, statistics, probability, modeling, and real-world problem solving that builds confidence and curiosity. If we want future-ready learners, math has to move from gatekeeping to empowerment. Outline

Introduction & Math Education Background

Rote Skills vs. Relevant Math

Standardized Testing & NAEP Scores

Math Illiteracy & Real-World Consequences

Calculus vs. Statistics Debate