I'm joined by Liz Harmer. Liz is an award-winning Canadian writer living in California. Her essays, stories and poetry are widely published. Her first novel, The Amateurs, was called a "near perfect debut novel" by Quill and Quire. Her next novel, Strange Loops, will be released Jan 31 with Knopf/Vintage Canada. It's available for preorder now wherever fine books are sold. As a a writer - and as a human being - she's smart, witty and thoroughly engaging. We talk about Liz's long lasting love of the music of Fiona Apple and what Apple's five albums have meant to her. The conversation goes in some fascinating directions (all thanks to Liz) about art and music, and women's art, and mental health. I loved getting a glimpse of Liz's creative process and the role music plays in that.