One says relax. One bought a Bunker. Two founders on whether AI is coming for your job.- Liam Martin is the co-founder of Time Doctor and Running Remote, and the creator of Peppermint, an AI tool that builds a working digital twin of you out of your emails, messages and calls. Nick Francis spent more than fifteen years building and running Help Scout as a fully remote company. Both were recorded at Running Remote in Austin.When Timothy Allen first sat down with Liam Martin a year ago in Morocco, he was the one asking what an LLM actually was. Liam has been deep in this world for a while, which is exactly why it is worth paying attention when he says tens of millions of jobs could be gone inside twelve months, and why he has bought a chalet in the Canadian woods with its own water and power, just in case. Along the way: a digital twin that answered his accountant's questions for him, an AI that told him the premise of his conference talk was wrong and then built a better one in 78 seconds, and the p(doom) figure that AI insiders quote in private but not on stage.Nick Francis could hardly disagree more. He calls himself an incredible optimist, and he makes a good case. His argument is that the last ten percent of any work, the craft, the judgement, the human touch, is exactly the part AI cannot do, and the part that is about to matter most. He also has a clear-eyed read on where remote work actually stands now that the pandemic push has faded, and why the second wave raises the bar rather than lowering it.Timothy lands somewhere in between: fascinated, slightly rattled, and increasingly convinced that the one thing which holds its value is the human experience itself. A genuine argument about the future of work, in which nobody is entirely sure who is right.In this conversation:A year on, and the floor has dropped outVibe coding a website, and a WordPress plugin built in secondsDistributed people to distributed intelligenceThe AI that rewrote a conference talk in 78 secondsPeppermint, and the digital twin that answers your emailsIs it creepy? Privacy, PII layers and self-sovereign AIThe prepper chalet in the Canadian woodsp(doom): ten percent in public, seventy to eighty in privateThe Anthropic security lead who moved to Austria to write poetryWhy Timothy wants the human experience, not the AI copyAI slop on Instagram and TikTok, and rejecting AI-written show notesGovernment oversight, and the case that AGI has already happenedThirty, forty, fifty percent unemployment inside a yearThe OpenAI valuation maths that gives the game awayWaymo at seven dollars a rideTyping pools, electricity, and what a general technology doesThe horses of 1910Why humans will choose to impose limits on themselvesLiam's thirty percent chance of utopiaNick Francis and the second wave of remote workRemote before the pandemic, and why talent was always the reasonThe trade-offs nobody mentionsRetreats, Rome and crowning a PopeWhat is actually happening to remote work right nowHubs, Googles and the geographic perimeter problemThe future of workWhy Nick is an incredible optimistJensen Huang and the cost-cutting trapWhy software as a service survivesThe last ten percent, and why craft is the momentTimestamps (audio version, includes Timothy's episode introduction):Guests: Liam Martin - Peppermint | Running Remote | Time Doctor | X | LinkedIn. Nick Francis - Help Scout | Website | LinkedInLiam’s first appearance on the show, recorded in Morocco a year earlier: listen hereThe Free Cities Podcast is the official podcast of the Free Cities Foundation, hosted by Timothy Allen. New episodes every Friday. Long-form, in-person conversations with the builders, investors, residents, and thinkers shaping the future of Free Cities, charter cities, special economic zones, network states, private cities, and governance innovation worldwide.Listen & subscribe: freecities.fm | All platforms | Fountain.fm (bonus episodes & early access)Community: Telegram | Free Cities Foundation newsletter | Free Cities ConferenceSupport the show: Donate via Stripe | BTC: bc1q5jun0nzxzqepch84rqk0jnv0rd8uvns28df7mg | V4V podcast appsLead show sponsor: Veritas Villages - Off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom-minded people in Latin America. Bitcoin accepted for property purchases. New: Veritas Village at Atenas, Costa Rica, watch the official revealFollow: Timothy Allen on X & Nostr | Free Cities Foundation on X & Nostr