In part 2 of our conversation, John DePue explains the history of interpretation of Romans up to the Reformation, the manner in which Phoebe would have acted out the text, and how it is an apocalyptic reading avoids supersessionism or antisemitism. 
See Beyond Justification (<a href='https://wipfandstock.com/9781532678981/beyond-justification/'>https://wipfandstock.com/9781532678981/beyond-justification/</a>) , by Douglas Campbell and John DePue.
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