In this episode, I spoke to Natalie Sambhi, the Founder and Executive Director of Verve Research, and Non-Resident Fellow at Brookings. We talked about the most concerning aspects of the AUKUS as a security deal to Jakarta and the possible implication of AUKUS such as a more intense “strategic insecurity” with countries in the region, particularly with China.

Are we going to see China retaliate with the improvements of its military capability? Will AUKUS bother Canberra’s desire to expand its regional outreach, particularly in elevating its defence engagement and relationships with regional partners including ASEAN countries? I explore those questions with her. Check it out!