In this episode, I talked with a top career diplomat and distinguished foreign policy thinker, H.E. Dr. Hassan Wirajuda, Foreign Minister of the Republic of Indonesia (2001-2009) and member of the Indonesian Council of Presidential Advisors from 2009-2014.

I asked his view on the geopolitical and geo-economical changes in the post-COVID-19 world and how should Indonesia reposition its foreign policy amidst this shifting landscape. I also explored the future of Indonesia's economic diplomacy and get his insights on what has been missing under President Jokowi's foreign policy agenda. The most interesting part of this interview is his suggestion on what should Indonesia do in the middle of escalating US-China tensions. As someone who has been very active in promoting democracy, he definitely has some takes on how Indonesia's foreign policy can play a more constructive role in reviving the advancement of global democracy.