The Indonesian government has reallocated some parts of the national budget to fund the economic secure package and to fund the containment policies of the COVID-19 pandemic. Obviously, it is affecting the ambitious infrastructure development in Indonesia. Moreover, the continuity of infrastructure projects in Indonesia has become a political commodity to attack President Jokowi and his government. The most debatable project is, of course, the new capital city in Kalimantan. How huge is the impact of COVID-19 pandemic on Indonesia’s infrastructure development? Should the government continue those projects? What if we cancel the new capital city project? And what would happen to the connectivity initiatives like the Chinese BRI, Japanese PQI, and some others? In this episode, I had a fruitful discussion with Kyle Springer, the Senior Analyst at Perth USAsia Centre to explore those questions.