In this episode, Cheryl interviews Diana McLean Smith, author of 'Remaking the Space Between Us: How Citizens Can Work Together to Build a Better Future for All.' They discuss the importance of citizens uniting to address common issues, the impact of self-serving politicians, the power of grassroots movements, and the role of cooperatives in driving community solutions. The conversation explores both the problems and potentials of the current political system and emphasizes the need for collaboration across divides.