Episode 40 (!), is double-sized with two fashion-focused interviews with models Kadeem Hudson (family from Jamaica) and Joanna Pauline (originally from the Philippines). We cover the gamut of representation in the industry, the mentality behind-the-scenes right before stepping on the runway, gender neutrality, and how beauty standards figure into the business of fashion (especially Asian nose politics). Just in time for New York Fashion Week, this one is deep dive into the world like you haven't heard before.

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