Listeners will be familiar with our guests Ahmed Klink and Juan Carlos Pagan. Ahmed and Juan Carlos are co-founders of the studio Sunday Afternoon and collectively have worked with the likes of Vanity Fair, Bacardi, The New York Times, Nike, Adidas, Travis Scott, Migos, Pinterest... the list goes on. Rich has a free-flow round table discussion with our guests, about owning a business as POCs, our emotional relationship to brands, and how we can post-rationalize anything.

This is Part 1 of a two part conversation.

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