Drew Forsberg served as a Navy SEAL, Class 243, SEAL Team 5, before becoming a father of four homeschooling on Oahu, and Executive Director of Beyond the Brotherhood.In this episode, Drew traces his path from Montauk fishing roots and California surf culture through 9/11, BUD/S, and the SEAL teams, then into the moment that tested everything underneath the uniform. In 2021, a vaccine mandate forced a choice between an oath to command and an oath to conscience. He filed a religious exemption, joined a First Liberty lawsuit, and later faced years of cumulative TBI, finally named, finally treated, finally understood.Drew's answer to where duty ends and defiance begins became the spine of this conversation. Identity is not a title. It is values, conduct, and stewardship, a north star built on faith, held under authority, still choosing conviction when conviction costs something.Drew now serves as Executive Director of Beyond the Brotherhood, a veteran-owned 501(c)(3) founded by Jimmy May. Drew and the team lead the organization's work screening and selecting Navy SEALs of character for their next mission in life through the SEAL² Process: Screen and Select, Equip and Engage, Assess and Align, Launch and Lead.Also covered: regenerative agriculture, jiu jitsu as therapy and discipline, SkillBridge partnerships, the real math of nonprofit leadership, and the 2026 NYC SEAL Swim, a 3-mile open-water swim through New York Harbor past the Statue of Liberty, open to Navy SEALs, veterans, and first responders.Learn more or get involved:Beyond the Brotherhood — beyondthebrotherhood.orgSponsor a Fellow — beyondthebrotherhood.org/donate2026 NYC SEAL Swim — beyondthebrotherhood.org/nyc-seal-swimThe Fight-or-Fl1ght Podcast — linktr.ee/fightorfl1ght