What is freedom? Can freedom from tyranny only be found through the dissolution of the state? To explore this question and others, Nathan and I are joined by Dr. Sarah Kleeb--Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto Scarborough, Center for Teaching and Learning--to discuss how the Italian philosopher Giorgio Agamben became a mouth piece for Anti-vaccine rhetoric, dive in deep on the differences between V FOR VENDETTA (2005) and the graphic novel by Alan Moore, as well as the activities of Anonymous in our contemporary global crisis.