In this episode we talk about certifications and how they are somehow similar to hiring, cheating during interviews, and the pitfalls of employee surveys.

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<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" rel="nofollow">Goodhart’s law</a></li>
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<li>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" rel="nofollow">anonymous feedback form</a></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" rel="nofollow">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
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Where to find Monica on the internet:

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<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" rel="nofollow">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" rel="nofollow">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" rel="nofollow">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" rel="nofollow">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
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Where to find Urban on the internet:

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<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" rel="nofollow">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" rel="nofollow">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" rel="nofollow">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
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The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" rel="nofollow">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" rel="nofollow">Scott Holmes</a>. It&#39;s licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" rel="nofollow">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.

Episode 58: We use a spreadsheet for running retros

Monica and Urban discuss their work life as developers and development managers.