We discuss Urban&#39;s appearances on other podcasts (that you should listen to!) as well as Monica handling layoffs from the point of view of a manager.

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<li>On the maintainable podcast with Robby Russel: <a href="https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone" rel="nofollow">https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone</a></li>
<li>On the Code With Jason podcast: <a href="https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/" rel="nofollow">https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/</a></li>
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<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" rel="nofollow">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" rel="nofollow">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

Where to find Monica on the internet:

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<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" rel="nofollow">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" rel="nofollow">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" rel="nofollow">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" rel="nofollow">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

Where to find Urban on the internet:

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<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" rel="nofollow">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" rel="nofollow">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" rel="nofollow">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" rel="nofollow">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" rel="nofollow">Scott Holmes</a>. It&#39;s licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" rel="nofollow">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.

Episode 46: You have to feel the pain

Monica and Urban discuss their work life as developers and development managers.