Monica and Urban discuss the differences (or lack thereof) between &quot;real&quot; and software engineering, the bus factor, and being kind to your users.

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<li> <a href="https://gist.github.com/dhh/782fb925b57450da28c1e15656779556" rel="nofollow">Hey.com Gemfile</a></li>
<li> <a href="https://haveibeenpwned.com/" rel="nofollow">https://haveibeenpwned.com/</a> </li>
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You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" rel="nofollow">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.

Where to find Monica on the internet:

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<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" rel="nofollow">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" rel="nofollow">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" rel="nofollow">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
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Where to find Urban on the internet:

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<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" rel="nofollow">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" rel="nofollow">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" rel="nofollow">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
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The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" rel="nofollow">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" rel="nofollow">Scott Holmes</a>. It&#39;s licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" rel="nofollow">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.

Episode 5: Monkey See, Monkey Do

Monica and Urban discuss their work life as developers and development managers.