Everyday Innovation
Everyday Innovation
Jordan Divecha
Turning Consumer Signal Trails into Lovable Products with Russell Evans (#34)
46 minutes Posted Dec 15, 2025 at 12:44 pm.
Russell Evans, Principal at ZS, shares how he built Atlas - an AI-powered consumer insight platform - from inside a global consulting firm. When traditional research methods broke under the scale of 60,000 interviews, Russell and his team engineered a new way to extract insights from the signal trails consumers leave across product reviews, social media, and online behavior.This conversation explores the intersection of intrapreneurship, AI innovation, and consumer intelligence - from discovering that people use mini marshmallows as coffee sweetener to rebuilding how brands bring lovable products to market.What You'll Learn:​Why 60,000 consumer interviews led to building something entirely new​How to find "unknown unknowns" hiding in consumer signal trails​The difference between curated data and black box AI approaches​Using AI to design products from consumer "Lego blocks"​Navigating intrapreneurship inside a 14,000-person consulting firm​Why clients wanted service over another tool​Balancing AI speed with human decision-making capacity​The industry shift from pilots to actual adoption​How AI search is changing brand strategy Chapter Markers:
Introduction and Welcome
From Toyota and Honda to Consumer Brands
What is ZS and How They Work
The 60,000 Interview Problem
Building Atlas: Engineering Consumer Intelligence
The Marshmallow Discovery: Unknown Unknowns
Curated Data vs. Black Box AI
Intrapreneurship Within a Large Organization
Client Adoption: Learnings and Roadblocks
New Product Development with Consumer Lego Blocks
AI Search and Brand Positioning
From Pilots to Integration
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Russell Evans, Principal at ZS, shares how he built Atlas - an AI-powered consumer insight platform - from inside a global consulting firm. When traditional research methods broke under the scale of 60,000 interviews, Russell and his team engineered a new way to extract insights from the signal trails consumers leave across product reviews, social media, and online behavior.This conversation explores the intersection of intrapreneurship, AI innovation, and consumer intelligence - from discovering that people use mini marshmallows as coffee sweetener to rebuilding how brands bring lovable products to market.What You'll Learn:​Why 60,000 consumer interviews led to building something entirely new​How to find "unknown unknowns" hiding in consumer signal trails​The difference between curated data and black box AI approaches​Using AI to design products from consumer "Lego blocks"​Navigating intrapreneurship inside a 14,000-person consulting firm​Why clients wanted service over another tool​Balancing AI speed with human decision-making capacity​The industry shift from pilots to actual adoption​How AI search is changing brand strategy Chapter Markers:(1:15) Introduction and Welcome(2:47) From Toyota and Honda to Consumer Brands(3:39) What is ZS and How They Work(7:36) The 60,000 Interview Problem(11:03) Building Atlas: Engineering Consumer Intelligence(14:10) The Marshmallow Discovery: Unknown Unknowns(18:00) Curated Data vs. Black Box AI(23:26) Intrapreneurship Within a Large Organization(28:03) Client Adoption: Learnings and Roadblocks(31:11) New Product Development with Consumer Lego Blocks(36:03) AI Search and Brand Positioning(40:26) From Pilots to Integration(42:51) What Everyday Innovation MeansGuest:Russell Evans - Principal , ZSConsumer insights and innovation leader with two decades of experience helping brands understand consumers and bring better products to market. Russell led the development of Atlas, an AI-powered platform that extracts actionable insights from consumer signal trails at scale.Connect with Russell and ZS:​ZS: zs.com​Atlas Intelligence: zsatlasintelligence.com​Key Takeaways:​Unknown unknowns are your competitive edge - consumers leave signal trails if you know where to look​Encode expertise into AI systems rather than automating around it​Sometimes technology enables better service delivery, not a standalone product​You can build faster than organizations can absorb - design for adoption, not just speed​Innovation is often intelligent recombination of known valuable elements​The market is shifting from AI pilots to actual process integrationEnjoyed this episode? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or follow on YouTube for more conversations with founders and innovators.--New: Signal Sprint Session for Founders + Innovation Leaders - Jordan is currently taking on select 1:1 for venture design and innovation systems sessions.https://stan.store/jordandivecha/p/signalsprint--More innovation content on https://everydayinnovation.io