This episode covers a lot of current events happening around recovery/healing. We sit down with the founder of Pinnacle Peak Recovery to talk about news making headlines: Kathy Griffin becomes an addict at age 59 - she wonders how can anyone become an addict at that age. She did and she almost took her life after a traumatic life experience. Also, researchers in the medical field want to use MDMA and other psychedelics to help trauma survivors heal. Our question: can you still call yourself sober if you use these drugs to heal?