In this episode we talk with Kelly Swingler. Founder of The Chrysalis Crew [https://www.thechrysaliscrew.com/].Kelly is a beacon of positivity and knowledge in HR for many around the world. Kelly is also the co-founder of Inspire: London, the London-focused community of Inspiring Workplaces. We hope to have our first socially-distanced meeting some time in September.In her chat with Matt, Kelly reveals some of the potential struggles with transitioning your organisation to a 4 day work week. And why it is important not to answer your emails late into the night.This episode is powered by Waggl [https://www.waggl.com/?utm_campaign=awards] – Waggl [https://www.waggl.com/?utm_campaign=awards] is an agile and comprehensive Employee Voice platform that measures, and truly improves engagement.We hope you enjoy it.