One of the departures from mainstream economics in ecological economics is the way ecological economists tend to value nature for more than its pure anthropocentric, utilitarian value. So in this episode, we’ll be talking aboutprotecting some nature that gets pretty bad press: sharks! We interview award-winning conservation scientist and practitioner Dr Hollie Booth, who runs an NGO focusing on shark conservation in Indonesia whilst also running randomised controlled trials to evaluate their effectiveness. So here we get a deep dive on the economics of shark declines, and the real-world challenges of running large ecological economics field experiments in the wild. Hosted by Sophus zu Ermgassen. Edited by Aidan Knox.