Are you spending more on ads but getting less in return? You're not alone. In this eye-opening conversation, Preston Rutherford, co-founder of Chubbies (which achieved a nine-figure exit and continues to see 8 years of consecutive growth), reveals why most modern brands are stuck in what he calls "the performance trap." Preston breaks down the crucial 95-5 rule—the reality that 95% of your audience isn't actively shopping at any given time—and explains why optimizing only for immediate conversions is slowly eroding your brand. He shares the hard-earned lessons from Chubbies' journey, including their midlife crisis moment when efficiency metrics looked great but the business fundamentals were deteriorating. This isn't about choosing between brand and performance—it's about finding the right balance to build sustainable, profitable growth. If you've ever wondered whether your marketing is building a moat or just buying clicks, this episode is essential listening.—Sponsored by OMG Commerce - go to (https://www.omgcommerce.com/contact) and request your FREE strategy session today!—Chapters: 

Intro

The Journey of Chubbies

Navigating Early Success and Marketing Performance

Identifying Brand Erosion and Its Consequences

1000 Free Postcards with Post Pilot

The 95-5 Rule

Balancing Demand Capture and Generation

Testing and Incrementality in Marketing

Understanding The Brand’s Impact on Revenue 

Insights from Data Analysis

Running Media Differently for Brand Building

Identifying ICP for Marathon Data