In which eavesdropping host Juliet Fraser talks to Christine Abdelnour about sound as a plastic material, the defiance and precarity of being a musician and the importance of talking about music. References: improvisors Peter Brötzmann, John Butcher and Keith Jarrett, electro-acoustic composers Éliane Radigue and Alvin Lucier, artist Sarah Lucas, and record labels ECM and FMP.Chris will perform in the eavesdropping festival at Cafe OTO on Friday 31 March 2023.Our new jingle is by Isa Otoya.