James Mackenzie founded Zoo Venues in 2000, aiming to refocus the Fringe festival on the needs of the artists. Zoo gives the companies bringing their work the time, space, and technical resource to show their work as it was created. Their programming usually focuses on innovative and challenging work across theatre and dance.In this conversation we speak about the difficulties that artists face in adapting shows to the fringe format, the future of Zoo, and what James looks for when programming.