Jon Krampner is the author of Ernest Lehman: The Sweet Smell of Success.

We discuss if Mo Udall became president instead of Carter we may never had Reagan, writing biographies vs. novels, and what happens when two writers are locked in a dark closet.

Drinks with Tony is on iTunes, Spotify, Pandora, and other podcast outlets. It also airs every Thursday evening at 6pm on 101.9 FM, KPCR, Santa Cruz.