Drones went from being flying cameras to autonomous weapons within a handful of years. Our guest, Cory Alpert, explains what he's seen on the front lines of Ukraine's drone war, and why drone warfare is changing international conflict forever.Also in this episode, we check in on how drones might be used elsewhere: exploring caves on the Moon, patrolling beneath the ocean and, of course, delivering dinner.How much of this future is Australia actually ready for? GUESTS:Cory Alpert, researcher at the University of Melbourne and former Biden-era White House staffer. He's also spent the last few months in Ukraine.Leigh Stark, technology journalist at Pickr.com.au.------------This episode was produced on the lands of the Gadigal, Burramattagal, Darug, Gundungurra, and Wurundjeri peoples.------------Get in touch:We'd love to hear from you! Email us at [email protected]Find all the episodes of Download This Show on the ABC Listen App or wherever you get your podcasts.