For episode 275 we are once again joined by the one and only Haroon Meer ( @haroonmeer ) to follow up on his conversation from September 2016 titled "What will get us there". If you've not had a chance to listen to that show, you absolutely should do that first.

Haroon shares his perspective including...

• "The cloud has won"
• Fundamentals are still hard, we're still largely failing at them
• Hackers make the best engineers when you give them a problem to solve
• Where do we go from here, into 2018, is there hope?

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