Craig Spence is a senior software engineer for Spotify and a JavaScript/Front-end Developer. Craig and I have been friends since I kicked his dad in the goolies at Craig’s 6th birthday party in 1995. In this chat we had back in January,  he shares himself as a work in progress: developing more mindful awareness about the world, his mental health and how he treats his body. We talk about workaholic tendencies when you have a fun job, job vs identity vs values, COVID, capitalism, drinking water, incremental change and Bridgerton. 
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Episode 5: Your Obvious is Someone Else‘s Genius. With Joana Joy

Does it hurt when you do that?
Don’t do that.

It seems simple, yet the human experience is more complex than that. There are things that hurt that we should do..like jogging or having deep exposing conversations with family members to set boundaries..... And things that hurt that we probably shouldn’t do, but do...like refusing self-compassion, and putting our fingers in the toaster. 

Comedian, yoga teacher, psychology and philosophy student Joana Joy interviews creatives, practitioners, athletes and thinkers about what keeps them optimised.. basically how they do or don’t do things that hurt. Through long form, authentic and engaging conversation, we deconstruct the habits, learnings and motivations of these people. She zooms in on their stories and experiences and zooms out on their perspectives to look at the world, what hurts that we should or shouldn’t do. 
With an eclectic mix of experience working in the arts, mental health, wellness and education industries, host Joana Joy is an uplifting, insightful and authentic voice to ask the questions listeners want to know, admit when she doesn't know, and have fun in the process of figuring it out.