In this episode, Simon talk with his Mirjam Guesgen (who met at the workshop organized by BBC superstar science journalist Matt McGrath from episode 2!) about her journey from academic researcher to award winning journalist. Their conversation, like Mirjam's journey, covers a lot of ground. From her doctoral research with sheep in New Zealand to her post-doctoral research with cows in Canada, there have been many surprising stops along the way. In their discussion, Mirjam shares advice for budding science journalists and perspectives on the realities of working in the industry.