For episode 149, Jonah sits down with his roommate and business partner, Ben Train, to take a critical look at their own approach to magic and their performances.

Honest Conversations for Performers with Ben Train

Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore.  He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!