<p>Two of our favorite City Managers - Patrick Banger and Kevin Phelps - share why Glendale and Gilbert are some of our favorite places to develop.</p>

Ep. 47 - What do On Cloud Shoes, Spec Industrial, and Data Centers Have in Common?

We’ve got a dirty secret. Quite a few actually, and you will only hear them on our new podcast called Dirt to Development. We give you a behind-the-scenes look at key development projects and the insane stories surrounding them. Stay tuned to listen to all the dirt on land use, development, and the inside politics of Arizona!