In this episode I speak with Jerry Hoff who provides some very interesting perspective on application security especially at scale and from a high level view like that of a CISO. Even if you're not in a senior leadership position, you're likely to be reporting to one. Understanding that point of view can help you successfully frame your work and accomplish your goals. We touch on multiple topics and have some great back and forth that I'm sure will entertain and inform you. Enjoy!