In this podcast Dayamati and I begin study of Shohaku Okumura's commentary on chapter 14 of Dōgen's magnum opus, Shōbōgenzō, 'The Mountains and -Waters Sutra' (Sansuikyō). After contextualising the chapter itself and Okumura's commentary we begin to touch on some of its principal themes, including the idea of the always-incompleteness of practice and the condition of 'no-knowing' as a creative relation with experience. We confine our comments to chapter 1 of the commentary.