In this episode of the Definitely, Maybe Agile podcast, Dave and Peter have a special guest, Rob Hirschfeld, co-founder, and CEO of RackN, a collaborative platform for teams automating infrastructure as code. This time we&apos;ll have a slightly longer episode than normal as we dive into different aspects of complexity. This isn&apos;t one you&apos;ll want to miss. We had a lot of fun recording it and really liked the end result. We hope you do too. This week takeaways:<ul><li>Stop trying to eliminate complexity and figure out how to manage it.</li><li>Build systems focused on system effectiveness.</li><li>Complexity problems are collaboration problems.</li></ul>We love to hear feedback. If you have questions, want to propose a topic, or even join us for a conversation, contact us here: <a href='mailto:feedback@definitelymaybeagile.com'>feedback@definitelymaybeagile.com</a>.

Business agility fails when we don't put people first

Adopting new ways of working like Agile and DevOps often falters further up the organization. Even in smaller organizations, it can be hard to get right. In this podcast, we are discussing the art and science of definitely, maybe achieving business agility in your organization.